EAB Meeting Minutes

November 9, 2004


Members in Attendance

Sanjay Advani

Lilias Jarding

Dale Lockwood

Marcia Van Eden

Ray Herrmann

Dave Swartz

Bill Zawacki


Members Absent

Ramon Ajero

John Bartholow

John (Jack) Coleman

Jim Skarbek

Sherman Worthington



Stephen Gillette, Solid Waste Director

Marc Engemoen, Public Works Division Director


Public Guests in Attendance

Karen Wagner

David Gilkey



Doug Ryan, Staff facilitator

Sandy Werkmeister, Note taker


I)   Amendments to the Agenda



II)    Introductions of Members &  Guests

The board members and guests introduced themselves. David Gilkey, an Assistant Professor and Director of Undergraduate Education for the Department of Environmental and Radiological Health Sciences at CSU was in attendance as well as Karen Wagner, newly elected Commissioner who will take office in January.


III)   Citizen Comments

Karen Wagner told the board that she served as a member on the EAB for six year.


IV)   Discussion Items

A)   Solid Waste Issues

Stephen Gillette and Marc Engemoen updated the board on landfill issues.

Stephen distributed the long document of Standards for Solid Waste Disposal Landfill Sites and Facilities from Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment (CDPHE). He also distributed and discussed a brief document of Landfill siting criteria and information about the new recycling contract.

Additional discussion:

•  Since the 7 million cubic yard expansion last year, at current fill rates our landfill has between 15-20 years of life. Currently fill rates are decreasing due to GSI diverting their waste elsewhere. Waste Management has diverted their waste also.  

•  Searching for a new landfill site in Larimer County is always in progress. Once a piece of ground is found, it can take up to 7 years to have it functioning as a landfill. Two years ago, an appropriate site was found north of Wellington, but was priced too high over fair market value for the County to purchase.

•  An extensive landfill siting study was done in 1996. When taking into account compatibility with existing uses around you and transportation issues, there are very few sites left in Larimer County that overcomes those two obstacles. There were just seven sites identified during the 1996 study and those seven are all unavailable today.

•  Having a landfill too far out has the effect of the trash haulers choosing landfills closer to them. There is nothing forcing Larimer County haulers to use the Larimer County Landfill.

•  Larimer County may take advantage of large landfills surrounding us. The county would remain in the Solid Waste business by collecting waste at a transfer station and then hauling to a landfill. There are many examples of County co-operations regarding trash. Jackson County currently brings their trash to us. They bring about 6000 yards a year.

•  If a landfill site is not found, the current landfill would likely become the transfer station.

•  Building a landfill would cost $15 million and is questionable economically when there is so much landfill capacity in surrounding areas. The advantage to owning land by the County is to keep business competitive. It is a free trade business. If the County landfill is gone, and the county does not own land on which a landfill can be built, rates would probably go up.

•  The county does have powers of eminent domain, but it has never been used for landfill siting.

•  The County owns 320 acres south of the current site that cannot be used due to groundwater and other compatibility issues.

•  Wind is an added consideration missing from the brief list. A windy site requires that all trash is compacted and baled inside a hanger. This allows for nice stacking into the landfill cells as well. But because the trash is handled two or three times, it adds to the cost.

•  Landfill regs require being 12’ above ground water.

•  Proximity to paved roads is about dust suppression and the capability of a road to handle heavy trucks. The Larimer County Landfill, which is next to a paved road, still uses 1.7 million gallons of raw water a year to control dust.

•  The Larimer County Landfill is unlined, but because of natural shale formations, we have less permeability than lined landfills. Linings are required for new landfills.

•  There is a plume of shallow groundwater contamination in the vicinity of the landfill. The County monitors this monthly. The plume is under control and not growing.

•  With the landfill expansion, the shooting range closed. CDPHE said the lead could be buried. If the lead became a problem with the ground water after 40-60 feet of trash was put on top of it, it would be a major undertaking to correct. Therefore, the county has chosen to remove 95% of the lead anyway.



•  For the last 10 years, the landfill has been subsidizing recycling. With the new contract just signed with Recycle America (the LLC of Waste Management), Solid Waste will no longer need to subsidize recycling for any amount. Recycle America will pay $10,000 a month regardless of how many pounds we send them.

•  Recycle America can accept single stream or dual stream materials. The market will drive the decision of which one.

•  The contract takes effect January 1, 2005. The changes to be able to accept single stream will be accomplished by October 1, 2005 and will pilot in Loveland.

•  The County itself will not force a cost increase, but the haulers may incur cost if the switch is made to single stream. They would have to re-tool their equipment and purchase new containers.

•  The Besner recycling system currently in use is going to be removed. It only sorts. Co-mingle will take place in Denver. Material will have a shorter life in Larimer County,

•  There is no guarantee that material will be recycled when it gets to Denver. If you cannot sell it, material is used for cover. The chance of glass getting used is improved, but there are still no guarantees.


Marc Engemoen discussed current economics of the landfill.


•  An RFP was just awarded to test for methane levels. After a certain level of methane production is reached in a region, the landfill has 30 months to convert to an active collection system that is estimated to cost between one and two million. 1.2 million has already been set aside for this in Larimer County.



B)   Action Log Updates


Master Plan & Code Monitoring

There have been many amendments, mostly administrative the last year. There have been appeals, variances and special exceptions to work on.


Animal Regs

A regulation was passed regarding pet animals, but nothing was done regarding livestock.


Special Land Use Proposals

Ray talked to Larry Timm today. They have a special area-planning meeting for Red Feather Lakes Plan on November 18.


I-25 Corridor Plan

Marcia attended a meeting for the North I-25 EIS in October. They discussed different transportation options such as light rail vs. commuter rail vs. additional lanes. .

Lilias will attend Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) meeting for Phase 2 in February.



Bill Zawacki & Sanjay Advani distributed an issue report to the board. Bill summarized the report for the board.

Bill did not think advice was needed from the EAB in the Estes Valley. The number of organizations involved is already high.


Preble's Meadow Jumping Mouse

May not be an individual species. Final decision not yet made.


Chronic Wasting Disease

Nothing has been done recently by DOW.



V)   Approval of October Minutes

There was not a quorum to approve the minutes. A second draft of the October minutes will be sent out without the names of the Stewardship Award nominees listed.


VI)   Chair Comments                   



VII)   BCC Liaison Report



VIII)   Updates - Committee and Other

Doug announced the Stewardship Award nominees chosen by the BCC to receive the award. The board discussed the decisions. Doug has sent appropriate letters to everyone, thanking them and inviting them to the award ceremony, which will be Monday, December 6 at 3:00 in the Commissioners Hearing Room. It will be televised on channel 27.


Doug reported that Frank Lancaster thanked them for their input on a recycled paper policy. He intends to form a staff-level committee to develop a first draft.


IX)   Summary of BCC Communication Issues, & Planning for future Administrative Matters Meetings

Nothing this month.


X)   Agenda for December Meeting

Election of officers - terms to begin in January 2005.

West Nile Virus


XI)   Adjourn

Ray adjourned the meeting at 8:40 p.m.