Meeting Minutes (Amended)

September 13, 2007


The meeting was called to order at 4:04PM by Chairperson Eunice Michalka (EM)


Members in Attendance:  Susan Bradley, Ted Carter, Terry Ferebee, Dennis Frydendall, Ross Reid, Lucille Schmidt, Michael Sledge, Roger Svendsen, Gene Barker, Gene Allen


Member Excused Absence:  Bill Gilbert


Others Present:  Russ Legg (LC Chief Planner); Mark Peterson, (LC Engineer) and one guest: Pat Bradley


Adoption of Agenda:  the Agenda as distributed was adopted.


Approval of Minutes:  Dennis Frydendall and Gene Barker advised that the minute should reflect why the trees on 74E should be removed in various places.  The reason the trees should be removed are for public safety.  Ice forms on the roads because of the lack of sun due to tree blockage of sun rays. 


Communication Items:


1.  Committee member communication item:  Eunice made a motion that PAC meetings be changed from 4:00 PM to 6:00PM to 1:30PM to 3:30PM.  The motion was seconded by Ted; motion was carried.


County Communication Item: 


1.  Russ Legg advised that the meeting times for rezoning existing RFL business will be held:


·  Red Feather Lakes Planning Advisory Committee Recommendation:  Thursday, October 11, 2007, 1:30PM, Fire Housing Meeting Room, 44 Fire House Lane, Red Feather Lakes


·  Larimer County Planning Commission Hearing: Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 6:30PM, County Courthouse Offices Bldg, Hearing Room, 200 West Oak, Fort Collins.


·  County Commissioner hearing, Monday, November 19, 2007, 3:00PM, County Courthouse Office Bldg, Hearing Room, 200 West oak, Fort Collins.


Audience Comments:  1:30PM starting time sounds good.


Agenda Item – Community Pathways Discussion - Roads 


Russ Legg (RL) advised that lot lines do not match where road are and recommended that the PAC identify the problems in writing and further advised that he can help facilitate and educate and help identify resources for funding. 


Dennis Frydendall (DF) recommended that the county establish the RFL roads where they presently are.  Lucille Schmitt (LS) advised that we needed to be careful because some property owners may have beneficial use of their property if the roads were moved to where they are more feasible or where they should be. 


Ted Carter (TC) advised that a minimum easement width needed to be established. 


EM reminded the PAC roads are a safety issue, i.e., fire access; private access road standards?


Michael Sledge (MS) asked if there are examples that the PAC could use to fix the road issue.  RL advised that there is a process, need money to file with a Court identifying where the roads currently are located.  RL will provide the PAC with additional information.


Susan Bradley (SB) advised that surveying the land will start correcting the lot line problems. 


TC stated that the majority of property owners would be willing to negotiate property lines with their neighbors.  MS asked if there are 20 foot easements.  TC advised that the county can come in a plot center lines on all roads, reach agreement where possible and seek other solutions when there is not agreement. 


Mark Peterson (MP) advised the PAC that only a Court can change a private road to a pubic road. 


MS recommended that the PAC identify a hierarchy of roads from the most important to the less important.  Gene Barker (GB) recommended that the County establish the roads where they currently are.


Gene Allen (GA) identified the following issues:

1.    Legality

2.    Ownership

3.    Mapping


GA advised that he has helped clean-up property lines with amended plats and asked about the availability of aerial photos.  GA stated that it is a complex issue but it is solvable. 


RL restated that this is a critical problem and it has a price tag attached to it.  TC asked about a special district to deal with the cost issue. 


DF advised that this is a legal issue not an engineering issue.  The PAC needs a legal opinion from the County Attorney on roads in RFL


TA asked how does the PAC get a legal opinion on what the PAC can do.  Need legal definitions.  Start with main streets.


MP advised that one can look at the plat and determine if the road is a public road or a private road.   What roads are dedicated public roads in RFL?  RL asked if the County will want to take the risk and cost of taking on this project. 


The PAC identified Hiawatha, Romona, Letitia and Nokomis are the primary RFL roads


MP advised that the PAC will continue discussing the road issues and TDUs at its next meeting. 


If PAC membership has specific questions pertaining to these two issues, please email or telephone Jill with your questions.


Meeting was adjourned at 5:50PM.


Respectfully submitted:


Terry Ferebee, Acting secretary